80 ann from derbyshire: Loved all the episodes but my 3 best are 1. Where martin thinks paul and anne are having an affair but it ends up fine when she finds him in the library and explains. 2. When anne is in hospital and martin decides to spring clean the house. 3. When martin's nerves are frayed and paul helps him to relax. Brilliant casting. Better than the good life in my opinion but doesn't seem to receive equal praise.
79 Lacy from Knoxville TN: My husband and I just discovered this great series. Loved The Good Life, too.
We can't figure out what the name of the van was called. We think we're hearing "The Dome Mobile" but we're not sure.
If anyone knows the name of their van, please post the answer.
78 Bill from Cardiff: I've just finished watching the whole series again and am in awe of such a brilliant crafted and hilarious sitcom. I've become obsessed with everything EDC!
77 Gareth from Oswestry: I was a big fan of Ever Decreasing Circles and continue to enjoy the repeats, however Martin would've been disappointed when he moved to Oswestry in the last episode - the railway station he references closed as part of Beeching's cuts in the 1960s.
76 John from Ireland: I just watched the episode where Ann was collecting for the OU and have worked out using google maps where Howard & Hilda's house is. I couldn't in other episodes because of the shooting angles. Anyway, they live right at the corner of the turning that Martin and everyone else takes when driving in/out of the close. They're not the house on the corner that's closest to Martin's, but the one on the opposite side of the street, if that makes any sense.
75 John from London: I loved EDC, but I found the 1989 Christmas Special, where Martin and Ann were going to move to Oswestry, to be a let down. It was as if that episode had been written by a different writer than the rest of the series, and it was completely 'BBC-fied', with unnecessary musical clips in the background, and I didn't find any of that episode funny in the slightest.
A similar thing happened with the entire final series of Terry and June - Terry Scott appeared to be angry throughout, and the scripts just weren't funny. Most odd
74 Chris from Billingshurst: Back again, you tube is great you can watch every episode if you dont want to get the DVD's. Thanks also to Charlie from Worhting ref. to the shopping center question. To answer the cricket pitch question in moving on it looks very much like West Chiltington.
Over and out keep the posts coming edc fans !
73 Joan from London: Does anyone know the location of Paul's second Hair Salon (I know the first one was in Billingshurst), the old people's home and Mole Valley Valves?
72 Tim from Billingshurst: Can't believe that I'm renovating the main house at the moment (that of Richard and Penny) - I'm in shock a bit and very proud!! I loved the series, but fans will we pleased to know that the new kitchen will look lovely and the frontage remains the same
71 mike andrews from romsey hants: The finest sit come ever, I like the Sleep walker episode with Martin holding court in the pub and feeling great as he hands out each drink...gin and tonic for you etc...the new neighbours buying into him and Paul hamming it up as ever.All wonderful and entertaining, my wife thinks Im crazy but do believe that I'm getting to be like Martin!!!!!!!!!!!
70 charliefarley from Worthing west Sussex: Loved the show as a child watching it with my mum and dad. Now own the DVD box set. In answer to 66 ( chris from Billingshurst ) the shopping centre was in Worthing. It was the Guildbourne Centre as my mum remembers them filming.
69 Tony Gerard from Plymouth, Devon: Wonderful series. I watch it time and time again! Just an observation- yes Paul has a degree, but should this mean that his girlfriends would automatically be high class snobs with diction akin to the queen? Even the BBC announcers sound common next to them! This was a strange move on the part of the casting director?
68 Sue Holmes from Findon Village: Loved this sitcom as a young teenager and remember watching the fete scenes being filmed at Yapton village; this was one episode I missed and have never seen since but remember lots of schoolfriends telling me I was in the background watching....really wish I could find this episode:)
67 Scott Fisher from Birmingham: Loved this series, especially Howard and Hilda, as I have lived next door to a couple like this for the past 25 years. No smut, just good honest comedy, brilliant writing and acting, I was sad when it finished as I thought they could have made more series. Modern comedy could learn a lot from this.
66 CHRIS from BILLINGSHURST: Loved EDC and heard Richard Briers on a Radio 2 interview a few months ago saying it was his favourite TV show he did! EDC fans!!Have some questions that have been bugging me for months and as follows. Which shopping mall was used where Ann does her protest ? Also does anyone know what location used in the episode Martin gets stuck in the loft , location looks to me south Downs some where but was hoping some might know the exact location !
65 Hayley from Hampshire: Just found that you can look at the close on google street view! Have a look everyone..it's really good!
64 Paul from Billingshurst: I actually live and my parents now do in Howard and Hilda's house!! It was all filmed in Dell Lane, Billingshurst
63 Matt from Melbourne, but Crawley originally: I can confirm that the scene of Paul inviting Martin into his Health Salon ''The Bordello'' in the final episode was filmed on the corner of Beach Road and East Street in Littlehampton. The shop depicted as a butcher's in the episode is now a cycle shop but the dry cleaners that Martin walks past is still a dry cleaners - albeit with updated signs and new colours. The entrance to ''The Bordello'' is in fact not a shop premises but the entrance to a narrow private residence. The front of the building next to the branch of Barclays has been radically altered since the filming took place but the Barclays building itself is hardly changed.
62 N. Robinson from Sussex: After visiting The Close I reckon Howard and Hilda lived on the left corner on the way in. However the TV people often filmed the shots in such a way as to make it impossible to figure out the true layout. For instance, Martin can be seen moving away from his house when he is meant to going towards it and the protest in the road is also filmed the wrong way around. To figure it out you really need to visit The Close. Where did L. Treadwell live?
61 Hayley Brewer from Hampshire: I have seen on google earth the close where edc was filmed. Can someone tell me whereabouts Howard and Hilda lived in the close? I've been trying to figure it out and I always thought they lived on the corner on the left side as you come into the close. Does anyone know?
60 Tim from Kent: We all know a Martin & Ann, Howard & Hilda and a Paul in real life of course, but for me the real recognition lies in the sharply observed desperation of Martin's life. Real life for him simply never lives up to his expectations does it? The episode where Ann's in the hospital and Martin attempts to spring clean the house is an absolute tour de force, with Martin being beaten not by Paul this time, but instead by "things". As fresh now as it was when first shown, the series hasn't suffered from the passing of years in my view and - quite simply - there's nothing that's even come close to it during those years...
59 Kilmer from east sussex: My girlfriend and i are huge fans, definitely the most underrated british sitcom.I would only put classics like reggie perrin and fawlty towers above it. Also if NIck Robinson from east sussex comes across this message or indeed any E.D.C fans please e-mail me cause we'd love to meet up with other fans...my e-mail is email@example.com
58 Matt from Melbourne, but Crawley originally: Such a shame that this series has been slightly 'forgotten' over the years, as it was very popular back in the 1980's during its original run. I wonder what caused this to happen? Who can say. Like anything that's this good it has that winning combination of perfect scripts and perfect casting. It is simply beautiful to watch and at no time does it rely on being crude or offensive. Yes, a few episodes do have continuity errors and Martin, Howard and Hilda perhaps LOOK older than their characters are actually meant to be but these are small issues next to the brilliance of the series. Would love to know where all the fields are - the cavaliers/roundheads field, Martin's football field, and the final epidodes fete field. Also, where is the cottage?!
57 D Dobaon from Ystradgynlais S Wales: Never to be bettered English sit:com: The television that is shown today cannot be compared with Richard and his neighbours, No bad language no sex nothing objectionable Just a good laugh. Thank you script writers
56 sam southwell from sedgley,west midlands: absolutely love edc. have the complete boxed set, and never tire of watching it. all the 5 main actors are brilliant to watch-martin's obsessiveness, ann's long suffering, howard and hilda's devotion to matching knitwear - and each other, and most of all paul [what a dish !] every episode is pure gold.
55 Dave Hawkins from Farnham: I loved watching this as a boy on Sunday night have just recently got the complete box set and still love it, Great cast, even better scripts can't stop watching them. They don't make them like EDC any more!!!!
54 Brenda from South East: Not sure what programme Matthew from Bradford has been watching if he thinks Martin was a socialist! Don't you remember his horror when Anne had a book about Soviet history? Also, Paul was helped by his "mates" and not by corrupt council officials! This was a great series - let's not analyse it to death!
53 ronnie duncan from comber ni: my fav moments are the playing the horns in the glockenspiel, hope spelling is correct and the scene in the cricket match, were martin trying to look official, says well its good news paul anyone agree
52 Roger from Bury, Lancs.: I thoroughly agree with the other plaudits.. EDC was definitely underrated, despite being beautifully observed, written and acted. Incidentally, in a recent interview (2008) Richard Briers described it as his favourite.
51 Rebecca Blacklock from Workington England: My favorite episode is the christmas one. But they are all brill. I like the way Martin gets so worked up about everything. He thinks Pauls out to out do him in everything and funny thing is Paul dosn't know he is doing it. Martin is obsessive and it's very funny. Classic comedy.
50 Leigh Mathers from Sutton Coldfield: Wonderful show, very underrated. I adored Howard & Hilda as a kid - I wanted to grow up and get married and have the sort of marriage they did!!
49 Gloria Webb from Great yarmouth: WONDERFUL SERIES
Wonderful series. Managed to get the complete series from ebay and watch them all over and over again. Love the episode where Ann goes to Paul's party and Martin who doesn't go rings Ann up from next door to tell her he has the milk on for the cocoa. Magic! They don't make them like that any more!
48 tony forbes from high wycombe: Has ever so many words been spoken in just a single expression- like that of of martin's angst and frustration at yet another "paul victory". Unique series and fondly cherished.
47 beastyclarke from london: Just watched a clip from the good life forgot how superb you were. I adored u in ever decreasing also. Love u Richard. Thankyou 4 all the wonderful laughs.
46 Jeremy fWilliams from USA: EDC was awesome because Martin represented everything English that is rapidly disappearing. He was determined to continue the fight against the Normans "land barons" (Paul and the modern world) on behalf of the honest Anglo Saxons (Martin & Olde England). I would love to have a half with him and wasn't his wife a real lady.
45 mary james from sussex: My father loves the shows and is keen to know where the cottage, is where the holiday episode was fimed. Thanks
44 Ian from Arundel, West Sussex: This was one of the greatest british sitcoms of all time, and the new comdey shows cannot touch this, i can watch every episode over and over again. I have 1 question if someone out there can answer it for me i would be so greatful, in 1 episode martin goes into town and i think he goes to see paul in his gym, now is that town Littlehampton at all? it looks remarkably like it, if anyone cud answer it for me i would be forever thankful
43 Ian from Portsmouth: For those asking where the cricket match was played in the earlier part of the series it was at Durbans Road, Wisborough Green which is about 2.5 West of Billingshurst. Still there today and looks just the same as it did in the series. Don't know where the last episodes cricket pitch was filmed though as it's not the same as Wisborough's
42 Paul Emery from WITNEY: I loved EDC from when I was a child and it is one of my alltime faves too, it has always been underrated in my opinion. I find it funny and very sad at the same time. I cant remember the final episode, can anyone tell me what happens to them all?
41 john from bognor regis: hi there one of the greatest and funniest shows on tv, but can anyone tell me the location of the village fete, when they where dressed as cavaliers and roundheads. please as we have an on going dispute in our house, and i do not want to sleep in the spare room for much longer ...thanks
40 Nick from East Sussex: Does anyone know where Paul's salon was located after its move from alongside Billingshurst train station? The front is clearly visible as Martin puts up a poster outside. Also where is Paul's health club located? And where is his lovely conservatory when it's not in his garden?! It keeps vanisning! Great show though!
39 Shaqui Le Vesconte from Crawley: On the subject of locations, the night scenes at the end of the 'Vicars & Tarts' episode were filmed in Crawley Town Centre. It may seem that Martin is driving along one long road but in fact he driving up and down the Broadway, between the main Post Office (visible at the end of the 'road' in some shots) and the church (which isn't visible in the dark). Most of the scenes take place in the middle of the Broadway, where the zebra crossing (also visible) used to be, between Queens Square and the pedestrian only Broadwalk. Dixons, which used to be on the corner of the Broadway and Queens Square, is also clearly seen, as is the old cigarette and sweet kiosk. On the opposite corner used to be the Co-op, latterly Living and now TJ Hughes! Unfortunately for EDC sightseers, there has been a lot of development in Queens Square in recent years, and a new block of shops occupies the area where the kiosk and 'open' side of Queens Square used to be. The traffic in the middle is single lane only, for buses and taxis, meaning the zebra crossing has also ceased to be...
38 Stephen Wadey from Crawley: When the outside scenes were being filmed in 'The close' my wife used to live with her parents in the house next door - you can see her fathers Ford Sierra in several episodes.
37 LINZ from SURREY: Yes brilliant series. Fav.episode is the cricket match and the scene of Martin watching Paul win the match with total disbelief on his face just brilliant. Have been to The Close and Paul's Salon but where did they film the cricket match, the field where they held the fetes, the shopping centre and the high st.driving back from the tarts and vicars party?
36 Nick Robinson from East Sussex: Absolutely brilliant show! Watched it so many times my knowledge is almost encyclopaedic. There are loads of mistakes, continuity errors and even some confusion over where the Close is. Both Sussex and Surrey it would seem! In fact it is Billingshurst, W.Sussex and I easily located The Close and plan another pilgrimage with a fellow fan soon! The writing is sharp, the performances faultless and the combination of humour and real sadness quite irresitible. Without doubt the most underrated T.V.comedy. Thankfully the arrival of D.V.D. re-issues keeps E.D.C. alive for us all to enjoy. Quick mistake question: which of the old ladies on the visit to 'Brooks Mead' makes it to Martin's driveway but not into the house? A mysterious change of actress occurs!
35 Scott Cappleman from Leighton Buzzard: I never really watched this when it first came out but have recently bought the DVD boxset as I have discovered a love of the British sitcom. I must say, I have fell head over heels in love with this sitcom, it really has charmed the pants off me (not literally).
It's very rarely that I cry, but the very last episode had tears streaming down my face. Brilliant!!!!!
34 GIDEON ROSE from CROYDON,SURREY: To Christine Haynes,
In answer to your question about Peter Egan's other screen appearances -
Lillie - 1978
Reilly Ace Of Spies - 1983
Paradise Postponed - 1986
Perfect Spy - 1987
Joint Account - 1989.
33 Charles Calthorpe from Manchester: I actually know a couple in reality who are just like Howard and Hilda - Wear the same jumpers go on holiday to the same places each year and finish off each others sentances - Penny Whitton was brilliant as the long suffering wife and did you note the chemistry between her and the guy who was played by Richard Briers.
32 Jonathan Reeves from Derbyshire: Ever Decreaing circles was my favorite tv program, I particularly liked the eppisode with the start of the cricket season when Martin has to pick paul for the team. If anyone wants to visit The Close it was filmed at a palce called Dell Lane, this is in Billingshurst West Sussex. I went there recently and it still looks the same, except Pauls front garden now has a tree in it. If you want to see Pauls salon this is net to the railway station, the close is about 10 mins walk from here, buy a map & its easy to find.
31 Bill from France: One of my favourite programmes of all time, quite apart from the fact that I worked (and later lived) in Billingshurst before I even realised it was filmed there. In fact I nearly bought Martin and Ann's house...
I've been likened to Martin (by first wife), to Paul (by sister) while the ex in-laws thought wife 1 and I were Howard and Hilda.
As I'm not there now, I hope I can add that 'The Close' is really 'Dell Lane', just behind the parish church.
30 AJ from Bucks: In reply to Hayley from Hampshire (no.22), John Challis was in the episode where Martin's office is divided in two - John Challis is the decorator who paints the dividing wall. I think my favourite episode (if it is possible to choose) is the Christmas special where Martin, Howard and Paul end up sharing a bed due to the overspill of guests from Paul's party - priceless!
29 Roger C Bull from Cornwall U.K.: Ever Decreasing Circles was one of the finest comedies produced by the BBC with a magnificent cast. Richard Briers was magnificent in the role of Martin Bryce, constantly at odds with the newcomer to "The Close", Paul Ryman played by Peter Egan. Martin constantly found life somewhat an uphill struggle against others who did not conform to his way of thinking and life in general. Paul Ryman please take a bow!
Martin relied heavily on his long tome friends the hysterical Howard and Hilda Hughes,a charming couple who had the same taste in leisurewear. Despite his shortcomings Martin was married to the the drop dead gorgeous Ann Bryce played by the drop dead gorgeous Penelope Wilton. Ann remained faithful to Martin throughout the series, although at times she was sorely tempted by the attentions of Paul Ryman.
The Christmas episode which had Martin , Howard and Paul all sharing the same bed was a classic.
The final episode which saw Martin and Ann leave the close for a new life in Oswestry was a true tear-jerker.
Sadly Ever Decreasing Circles is part of BBC history. The warmth of the the series has never in my opinion bettered by any other comedy.
Thank you Martin Briars, Penelope Wilton,Peter Egan,
Stanley Lebor and Geraldine Newman.
28 Dave from Bristol: Vintage comedy with a rare cast who really performed as a team. Favourite moment for me is in the Cottage episode when Martin comes into his own by knowing how to light the fire, start the taps etc, smug in the knowledge that Paul is a fish out of water in this environment. Can anyone tell me where in Billingshurst "The Close" is? And what about a one-off special with Martin retiring and moving back? Or would that ruin a nostaligc gem?
27 anne from Belgium: It was one of the funniest series I have ever watched! Richard Briers was just right as Martin - and regret they didn't make more episodes!
26 David Wiggins from Stratford, east London: I adore this series and have SO many favourite moment. Probably my fave episode is STUCK IN A LOFT. Best supporting actor is Stanley Lebor.
25 johnny smooth from london: Re: the Ray Winstone query, he plays a lorry driver in the episode where paul orders a skip load of manure (third series, i think) and it's delivered on martin's drive by mistake. best episode? the one with the pool match where howard discovers his mojo...
24 Nicky Richardson from Brighton, England: I adore this! Martin, Anne, Howard, Hilda, Paul. It's a work of genius.
The way the characters ticked was so brilliantly observed, and the nightmare scenario of just how bad life in suburban England could be (but only if there's a Martin on the scene!) was exploited to the full.
The only episode I found unconvincing was the last one when Anne became pregnant and she and Martin left the hallowed Close. The rest of it I can watch and watch again!
23 Keith Livingstone from Enniskillen NI: Brilliant series. Have just bought the DVD. I refuse to watch the Final episode. I still like to think of Martin and Anne, Paul and H&H still living in the close. Martin would be retired - how would he fill his time now i wonder? Its over to John and Bob for that one or has anyone else any ideas?
22 Hayley from Hampshire: As a Huge Fan of Ever Decreasing Circles, I have watched all the episodes many times and as a result of this, have noticed mistakes in some of the episodes.
In the cottage episode where martin gets stuck in the loft, howard and hilda come back from their walk and ann tells them martin is still in the loft. Now Howard and Hilda left to go on their walk before the slate fell off the roof, so would not know martin was in the roof at all.
During the "ann in hospital" episode, the painting in their hallway changes halfway through.
In the episode where Paul burns his house sign, Martin and Paul get to Pauls garden by going through the gate between their houses. In the episode where Martin and Ann take Howard and Hilda to the airport, they come back and get to their garden by going through the same gate!
I don't want to sound like i'm complaining coz I am such a huge fan and I just wanted to point these things out.
I have one question for fans, Which episodes were Ray winstone and John challis in and which characters did they play?
21 Matthew from Somerset: Ever Decreasing Circles is a brilliant comedy. One of the best comedies that Richard Briers did. Penelope Wilton and Peter Egan are brilliant as well
20 julienewman from dagenhamessex: What a exellent show i always laugh when Martin changes the telepone and wipes his shoes upon stepping through the front door and having to put up with that nice chap Paul from next door and his poor long suffering wife what a pleasant show I may add.
19 Armand Lucas from Cleveland, Ohio: I had the pleasure of living in Salisbury while training as an hon. Registrar in Plastic Surgery at Odstock Hospital mid-1985 to mid-1986. Some of our fondest memories were spent watching EDC, I believe it was Sunday nights.
18 Ian Johnston from Glasgow: There is something hugely enjoyable about EDC. The scripts were superb although I think more than anything else it was the sheer acting talent of the cast. The characters are so wonderfully observed and engaging. Having recently watched all the episodes again I felt completely drawn in and really sad there are no more!
17 Chris from Billingshurst: The Close in EDC is actually in a small town/ large village called Billingshurst, West Sussex I live there too. Many times I walk through. The garage doors are the same colour. They could film there tomorrow & you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from all those years ago. Ironically the series is actually set in North Surrey Epsom/leatherhead/dorking Redhill area which is where I originate from. So I sometimes wonder why they choose to film 20 miles or so further South when there must have been hundreds of places in Surrey. Though watching the repeats I can see how they utilised Billingshurst for alot of other outside scenes, The Library, Station etc. Maybe it was that bit more quiet than Surrey so they were able to get on with filming. I would give the name of the Road but I don't know whether its forbidden.
16 Lynn from Wakefield: What was the theme tune for the show called????
15 darren hales from worcester, uk: Does anyone know where the close in Ever decreasing circles was filmed?
14 Al from London: Ash - I think the name of the lodge was the Egremont Club - again, a brilliant episode. My favourite episode is the one when Martin thinks he has slept with a prostitute in Belgium - a classic!!
13 Ash Punj from Peterborough: The best episode was where Martin Brice helped Paul buy that ironmongers. The way the shopkeeper sold one nail to Martin was really funny. The best comedy series I've seen.
12 christine haynes from wrexham: I love evey episode of EDC, my favourite character is Paul (Peter Egan is Gorgeous). I would like to know what else he has appeared in, if anybody could help please.
11 ash from london: what was the name of the lodge that he frequented ?
10 David Blount from Leicestershire: It is a truly brilliant, but under-rated and definitely under broadcast show. The episode where martin and ann put up 'the overspill' from paul's christmas party over the festive period has to be one of the best comedy half hours in the history of television! It is not only an endearing childhood memory but also an illustration of the way in which spontenuity (ann inviting them to stay) and morals (Martin hating the idea but agreeing because ann's reputation and honour would be at stake should he evict them), can be worlds apart in terms of emotion, reason and purpose but still ultimately agree. This contrast in mentality lead to brilliant clashes and interaction!
9 Matthew from Bradford: I watched it again the other week and indeed it is a classic. In many ways however, it is a terrible indictment of Thatcherism. We are meant to enjoy the mix of old school tie/new Thatcherite capitalist that is Paul, and the way in which he is 'better' than the older, gentler and more civic minded -- even socialist -- Martin. Most of the time when Paul solves something it is through is 'connections' with the local council, i.e. corruption.
Very funny though.
8 Andy Murray/Kate Robertson from St Leonards On Sea: During millionaire EDC came up as a discussion. Thanks to this site we got our answers.
A brilliant series that we don't think ever got the real appreciation it deserved.
Andy says, ' my mother banned the videos of the series being watched as it meant that my father sat down and didn't do any work around the house.'
7 roanna from Chesterfield: My all time favourite moment of this series was the episode when Martin hired the skip and the neighbourhood got "skip madness" and filled it over night, one neighbour even parking a car in it!
6 Richard Watt from Flanders, NJ, USA: I think it might be my father's favorite BritCom (just edging out Yes, Minister)----one of the best moments occurs when Martin is in a tither about the stalled tractor hauling the dung from his driveway and Paul pulls up in his sportscar---Anne's "Oh, good, here's Paul," begets a classic facial expression from Martin. I wish they'd rebroadcast here in the States.
5 Shinystar! from Cornwall: I've been a fan since they repeated the series on BBC 1 about two years ago!!! I was a huge fan of the Good Life so another sit com with "Diccy Briers in was not to be missed!! I'm lucky enough to have recorded every episode and was recently given the new DVD's for a birthday pressie!!!
My favourite ,favourite scene has to be, when the group come together with their new neighbours Dan and Diana Danby!
They start to discuss their favourite jam and Howard had to go for Hildas cherry!!! Gentle comedy it may be!! But the undertones can be quite saucy sometimes!!! :>) Any hoo, here's to John Esmonde and Bob Larbey!!! And of course to Richard Briers!!! Hours of entertainment that lasts through the years!!!:>)
4 Stephen Grainger from Bangor NI: My favourite moment is when Martin is arguing with the barsteward (no pun) about his decision to give him out in the cricket match.
3 Danny Graham from Liverpool: One of my closest friends is so reminiscent of Paul, the amorous neighbour. He has me in stitches all the time.
2 ANN CRITCHLEY from Rainham, Kent: Although I am an Ann and my husband is Martin, I think we resemble Howard and Hilda more!
I love the gentle humour and the characterisation. The twinkle in Paul's eye when he winds Martin up and the unspoken attraction between Ann and Paul hangs in the air. But Ann cannot find it in her heart to upset Martin and that is what makes the series so real.
1 Jeff Lowsley from East Riding: Beacuse every one know's a Martin Bryce, and Paul Rhyman, it's so well written without,being over the top.